to decide on the debt ceiling and spending. and so this is where we really need leadership which we were used to. i tend to be an optimist about the united states because people gave up on us on vietnam, on the watergate crisis, and we came charging back. and i think we'll do it here. but it would be nice if we didn't have to go to the cliff each time to do it. >> well, you know, and again, when you start talking about the kind of relationships and the kind of leadership, you know, we till seem to have -- we still seem to have this atmosphere where people talk more at each other than trying to find some common ground, some common goal in getting it down. and, you know, you broached the whole goal of growth and jobs, and that is the answer to all of this. you also talked a lot about contagion. on this one. now, we all, you know, sensed that if the your -- european situation got worse and they're representing 22% of gdp, you know, the effect it's going to have on the united states, india and brazil is going to be real and everything. so with 40% of their exports coming here to the united s